Actual Dipsey Diver-Downrigger Depth

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Actual Dipsey Diver-Downrigger Depth

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Capt.Jimmy Samia

 

Knowing your actual dipsey diver-downrigger depths in real time while trolling is paramount to maximizing your fishing success. Would’nt it be nice to have a way to just look at your outfits whether dipsey divers or downriggers while they are deployed and know within a few feet where they are actually running below the surface? Well, there is and it”s basically free!

A while ago we included an article on our website called “Do you know where your stuff is running” which outlined some very good insights on how to figure out actual dipsey diver-downrigger depth when trolling on Lake Ontario. Although we still use a lot of those methods to determine our actual dipsey diver-downrigger depth today, we finally figured out an easier way that works in real time and in any direction under all conditions. It all goes back to high school trigonometry. Yup! Good ole high school trig.

For figuring out the actual dipsey diver-downrigger depth, we will need to use only two trigonometric functions. For dipseys, we use the sin function and for downriggers we use the cos function of the angles created by these apparatuses as they enter the water to determine actual dipsey diver-downrigger depth. Here’s how it works for the dipsey. If we look at the angle created by where the dipsey line enters the water and the surface of the water, we can take the sin of that angle and figure out the opposite side of that angle which would be the depth that the dipsey is running at. For the downrigger, we will use the cos of the angle created by where the rigger cable swings back from the rigger pulley at the end of the downrigger arm and calculate from there.

Working out an example for an actual dipsey diver-downrigger depth for dipseys would go something like this. Let’s say that we wanted our dipseys to run down 80 feet in the column, actual depth. We look at the angle created by the dipsey line and see that it’s 20 degrees (angle “A” in diagram below). Using our smartphone we look up the sin of 20 degrees and see that its value is .34. Remembering that the sin=o/h where o=the actual depth(opposite side in diagram below) of the diver in this case and h= the hypotenuse or in this case the amount of dipsey line out, we can then figure that  .34=80/h  remembering that h (the hypotenuse in diagram) = the amount of line we need to let out on the diver. So, solving for h we get h=80/.34 which equals 235 ft of dipsey line that we would need to let out to get the depth we wanted of 80 ft in the column.

dipsey diver-downrigger depth using trig functions

use sin of angle A for dipseys

Working out an example for an actual dipsey diver-downrigger depth for downriggers is also quite similar except we are going to use the cos function of the rigger cable angle as it comes off of the end of the downrigger(angle B in diagram). Lets say we want to run our downrigger ball down to a depth of 80 ft in the column. We estimate the angle of the rigger flare (angle B) to be 15 degrees . We look up the cos of 15 degrees on google and see that its value is .97. So in this case cos B=a/h where a=the adjacent side to the angle or in this case the actual depth of the rigger ball, and h= the hypotenuse or in this case the amount of downrigger cable we need to let out. We find that   .97=80ft/h  solving for “B” we get B= 80/.97 which equals 82 ft of line we would have to let out.

actual dipsey diver-downrigger depth using cosine function

Use cosine of angle B for downriggers

Using trig functions to determine actual dipsey diver-downrigger depth may seem a bit daunting at first, but once you get used to using them, they can really save the day. Granted, we use a Fishhawk X4D on our downrigger which gives actual depth of our downrigger, it’s still nice to know that you can use some high school math to verify its accuracy or reverse engineer the angle of the cable (angle B) to get the feel for it. There is also newer technology on the market today that is supposed to give you reel time underwater feedback of downspeed and depth for copper lines,riggers,and dipseys called Smart Troll , but it’s pricey. It cost over a 1000.00 dollars. It’s newer technology and the jury is still out on it overall performance.

We used trig functions this past summer to determine actual dipsey diver-downrigger depth and it really helped us to dial in on the fish. The temperature was really deep that particular day and our dipsey divers were not getting bit. in fact, the whole charter fleet was starving for dipsey diver bites. Because of the deep temps and wicked underwater currents, we knew that we would have to run mag divers to get down to the fish. The temp was down 125ft. We noticed that the angle of the dipsey line to the water was about 22 degrees while trolling east. Using our formula we took the sin of 22 which was .37, so to get down to 125 ft in the column we calculated .37=125/h where “h ” is the hypotenuse or the amount of line we had to let out which was 125/.37  or 338 ft of line out. We ran our dipseys out to 340 on the counters and don’t you know are dipseys started firing. When we were trolling in the opposite direction, in this case west, the angle on the diver was about 30 degrees ,so …sin of 30 degrees =.5  then 125/.5=250 ft of line out. We then starting catching fish on the dipseys going west as well even though it took  90 ft less of line out.

To those of you who got through this article on actual dipsey diver-downrigger depth and understand it, give this a try next time you’re out on the big pond pulling dipseys or setting downriggers. It really does work. For those of you who missed those days in high school and are still struggling to wrap your head around this, we suggest brushing up on your high school trig, or just go back to guessing or experimenting to get your dipseys to go. As always, you can read more about Lake Ontario info and tips on our website www.acecharters.com

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Lake Ontario Brown Trout Fishing

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Lake Ontario Brown Trout Fishing

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Capt.Jimmy Samia

   Lake Ontario brown trout fishing out of Oswego,NY can and is a savior at times for our charter fishing adventures especially from June all the way through the rest of the summer. There will be days when salmon and other species such as steelhead will not be readily available to catch. This could be caused by high off shore winds or the wrong temperature profile being available to promote good fishing for salmon or the other species.  This is where brown trout fishing on Lake Ontario can really shine.

A June limit of Lake Ontario Brown Trout

June Brown trout fishing on Lake Ontario produces nice catches of brown trout like these.

   Lake Ontario brown trout, by nature, inhabit the waters that are often more closer to shore than other species. They can typically be found in depths of anywheres between 10 to 120 ft of water from the month of June on. Brown trout are also predictable in that they will usually be found where 55 degree water intersects with the bottom of the Lake. For example, if you put your temperature probe down (we use an X4D) and find  55 degree water down 70ft in the column, then we can usually expect the browns to be stretched horizontally along the shoreline in 70 ft of water at or near the bottom near this 70 ft contour.

 Now that we know where to look to start our Lake Ontario brown trout fishing excursion, we then must choose which lines and apparatus to use to effectively put our lures at the correct depth. Here’s lies one of the biggest secrets to catching brown trout on Lake Ontario and that is putting your spread out so that it covers from 55 degrees to as high as 68 or even seventy degree water. That’s right! Even though you will see the browns scattered along the bottom at the 55 degree intersect, the active browns will usually be higher up in the water column in the warmer water.

Lake Ontario brown trout fishing lead core catch

A giant Lake Ontario brown trout caught in 70 degree water on a lead core.

We have caught some of our biggest brown trout in 70 degree water on lead cores off of in-line planer boards  during the dead of summer.

   So what lures should you use when Lake Ontario brown trout fishing? The answer is,”that it depends”. Let me try to help narrow it down a little bit for you. Earlier in the season as well as earlier in the morning when the light is low, stick baits such as Smithwicks, Rapalas, and Thundersticks get the nod, especially off of the high lines either flat chutes or in-lines. The rest of the time we are most likely to be running spoons. Here, items like Michigan Stingers and R&R spoons will get deployed.

  One of the other secrets to be successful in catching Lake Ontario brownies is trolling at the right speed and this can vary as the season wears on. Our typical speed is somewhere in the 1.8mph downspeed range but there are days when this will very. Watching how the fish react towards your spread when on turns can give you clues as to what speed you should be pulling for that day.If the fish are hitting on the inside of your turns, that’s a pretty good indication that speed should be lowered as the fish are hitting on the drop as the lure is slowing down.

   Another often overlooked key to Lake Ontario brown trout fishing success is knowing when to leader down on your presentations. When the temperature is up in the column and the water is clear, leadering down in line diameter can make all the difference in the world as to whether you will catch fish or not. There have been times when we are fishing tournaments that we have leadered down to 6 lb test to get bites on pressured fish in clear water. It does take some rod handling skills to battle and land these brownies on the lite line, but patience and steady pressure will get the job done in good fashion.

  One of the nicest things about Lake Ontario brown trout fishing is that it makes for great sport for women and children, especially when running lite tackle.

Lake Ontario brown trout fishing family

Lake Ontario brown trout fishing family fun when everyone gets in on the action.

It is not uncommon to catch brownies in the mid to upper teens during one of our charters and with the lite line it can take quite a while to battle and bring the fish to net. With the equipment that we use on our charter boat the “Ace”, women and children as well as those that are physically challenged can have the time of their lives catching big browns. Also keep in mind that most days the browns can be quite active which promotes a lot of action on the boat, When you have the right stuff down, multiple hook-ups at the same time are quite common.

  Some of my favorite times on the water on Lake Ontario are spent brown trout fishing with families including women and children. It’s an absolute blast to watch the excitement that is generated when several rods go off at once and the fire drill in back of the boat ensues. There are anglers in back of the boat up against the transom doing simultaneous battle with brownies hooked on the other end of their lines. Clients shuffling back and forth to keep the lines straight is also exciting to watch and experience. The smiles on their faces when the fish are netted and brought on to the deck of the “Ace”  says it all.  Give us a call at 413-346-7675 or check out our Ace Charters website for further information.

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Lake Ontario Tournament Report

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Lake Ontario Tournament Report

This will be the final Lake Ontario Tournament report for Ace Charters and 2014. Once again our Ace Charters professional team managed to do quite well finishing 4th in the Oswego leg of the Lake Ontario Pro-Am series, a two day tournament. On day one we managed a 12 fish limit but once again, day two was a lot tougher for the entire field including us.

Lake Ontario Tournament Report

Day one scores at Niagara Pro-Am 2014 week two

Continuing on with the Lake Ontario report brings us to the Sodus leg of the Pro-Am series turned out to be quite a disaster for our team. On day one, we only boxed nine fish with one king salmon and the rest brown trout. What was most disappointing was that we dropped five kings first thing in the morning. On day two, we let the thought of how other teams were doing get the best of us. We in fact, broke one of the Cardinal rules of fishing,”never leave fish to find fish”! We made a team decision to run some 25 plus miles back to our home port of Oswego to go for a home run thinking we could box 12 kings. We had received reports that evening that the fishing was good there.

Running 25 miles and burning up  over 2.5hrs of potential fishing time turned out to be the worst decision we had made since the inception of the team. We did not even come close to boxing out with kings and even struggled to catch brown trout which we were able to catch the day before in Sodus. We finished out of the money and whats even more disturbing, we broke a four year streak of always finishing well enough to cash in every tournament that we had competed in! Oh well! I guess hindsight is always “twenty twenty”!

The Lake Wide Cup once again seemed to elude us as if it’s never meant to be. Last year as those of you who have been following us know, we finished second overall in the Lake Ontario Lake Wide Cup championship falling hard luck to teams with fish not weighing in on day two. The scoring for the Lake Cup is very similar to NASCAR and is based upon how you perform each day as well as bonus points for overall placement.

This year there was a new twist in our race for the cup that kept us out of first place once again and we felt that we had to include this in this Lake Ontario tournament report.The way that the rules read was that teams had to compete in at least one of the west end tournaments, either The Wilson Invitational or The Oak Orchard Open. You would think that with this requirement, that at least one of the scores from the west end would have to be counted. Well!!! Not So!! Our team found this impossible to believe but so was the case. I’m not taking anything away from Team Screamer who ended up winning the cup, but if one of the West end scores had to be counted for the LAKE WIDE CUP not the whichever end of the Lake you felt like Cup, then our Ace Charters pro team would have not only won the cup, but also had it locked after the Oswego Pro-Am. ONCE AGAIN WE FOUND OURSELVES FINISHING SECOND OVERALL FOR THE LAKE WIDE CUP.

You can read about oue new policy concerning fishing future tournaments at   http://www.acecharters.com/charter-boat-captain.html    If you scroll down you will see it highlighted in read font.

 

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Ace Charters Tournament Results

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Its been a while since I’ve had time to actually sit down and write about what’s been going on with the Ace Charters tournament team in 2014. I am very proud of my team and their performances this year while we have journeyed to the western end of Lake Ontario as well as Canada.

Our first stop was in Niagara county for what used to be called the Niagara pro am. We manage to box a twelve fish limit on day one and found ourselves just a few points out of first landing comfortably in second place. On day two, our luck did not hold out as well as we only managed eleven bites and boated seven out of those eleven. It did however, turn out to be a tougher day for everyone and we managed to hold on to second place in both  the classic and short box divisions. When it was all said and done, we were rewarded with over $5000.00 in winnings.

Our second stop during the very next week found us competing at The Oak Orchard Open some thirty miles east of Niagara. Our day one performance was outstanding as we managed to boat our ten fish limit with only twenty minutes to spare before quitting time.  We once again found ourselves in second place on day one. Our day two went a little bit better than day one in terms of boxing out more quickly, but we did fish till the very end and with the cull rules in this tournament in effect we upgraded with a nice lake trout. That upgrade sealed another second place finish for our Ace Charters team in as many weeks.

The third stop in as many weeks found us in Bluffer’s Park, Toronto, Canada fishing in the first of the King of Kings Titelines  tournament. We managed to boat only five of our eleven king bites during this one day event. To accentuate just how tough the bite was, we managed to finish  ninth out of sixty boats with only five fish of a six fish limit.

Last but not least, do to our outstanding performances, our team is now in first place for the Lake Ontario Lake Wide Cup. Point standings for this prestigious endeavor is determined by overall performances of the entered teams as the fish tournaments across the Lake. Wish us luck to continue to do well and bring home the Cup.

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Installing The Lowrance Gen 2 Touch with Marpa

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Lowrance Gen 2 Touch with Marpa

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Capt.Jimmy Samia

  We just finished installing the Lowrance Gen 2 Touch with Marpa aboard the The “Ace” our beloved charter boat. What started out as just a simple replacement for my older inoperable LCA 5000 radar with the Lowrance 9200c turned out to be an adventure in modern day electronic installation and interfacing all being brought about by the inability to procure a rim 200 radar interface chord for my 9200c chartplotter from Lowrance.

Lowrance Gen 2 touch with Marpa

Gen 2 Touch Display

   After doing the research and seeing what was available while keeping within my price range, the Lowrance Gen 2 Touch along with the optional 3G broadband radar seemed like the way to go. Upon further reading and inspection of the features offered by the Gen 2,  it was discovered that this unit was compatible with  Marpa. So, what is Marpa? Marpa is an acronym that stands for “mini-automatic radar plotting aid”. Simply put, it is an aftermarket radar feature that allows you to track up to ten other boats in real time on your radar screen.

    My original intent was to keep my purchase under the $3000.00 mark for my radar which would have been just fine until I discovered Marpa and just what it would take to get it fully functional. Here’s the kick in the teeth. If you read the features’ list on the Lowrance Gen 2 Touch you will see that it is Marpa functional. What you won’t see is all the additional electronics and connector chords that are required to make it work and of course, at additional expense. Here’s what’s required to get the Marpa up and running.

Lowrance Gen 2 Touch with Marpa and NMEA 2000 Backbone

Nmea 2000 Starter kit

NMEA 2000 Kit needed to start the Backbone

  First and the most expensive additional item required is an electronic compass that updates at least 10 times per second. We ended up purchasing a RC 42 electronic compass manufactured by Simrad. See below…

RC 42 Compass from Simrad

A compass such as this one is required for Marpa functionality

Low and behold, Simrad,Lowrance, and B+G all belong to the parent company Navico. The next item needed was an interface box called an R110 which allows the 3G radar to create the calculations needed for the Marpa to function. Also needed are the adapter cords to allow the interfacing of the different items from the different companies so that they can all work together. There are Simnet chords, Lowrance ethernet cords, Simnet adapters,  nmea 2000 backbone which requires separate power, and “red” T-connectors that ,get this, are actually black in color.

  When it was all said and done, the additional expense to get the Marpa to function was an extra $1000.00 or so, none of which was explained or detailed in the product descriptions as being necessary for the Marpa to work. It seemed like once you got started down the Marpa road, it’s was like getting caught in a quagmire as your learn about all the additional items that you will need to purchase to get the Marpa up and running. You will learn about the NMEA 2000 backbone which requires a Lowrance starter kit that includes a power supply cable, a few patch chords, and end resistors that  have to go on both ends of the NMEA 2000 backbone in order for it to function. You will also discover that they have things set up so that you HAVE to buy additional cords and connectors that wouldn’t be necessary if they would just make a male to male patch cord in the first place.

   In any event, with the help of my good friends, Lynn Thompson Jr. and Sr., John Wise, and Scotty Richardson, the Lowrance Gen 2 touch with Marpa is now installed and functioning aboard the “Ace “. I will post  updates on its functionality as I get further into my charter fishing season.

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Lake Ontario Fishing Photos – Ace Charters

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Lake Ontario fishing photos for Ace Charters can be found at http://www.acecharters.com/lake_ontario_fishing_photos.html

 Lake Ontario fishing photos

I have since taken over the handling of my own website and have discovered a few mishaps that need correcting, my Lake Ontario fishing photos page being one of them. It seems that Google prefers titles to use hyphens instead of underscores. From what I have read, using underscores dictates that an exact phrase match must be used, while using hyphens allows partial or all of the keyword phrase to be used and is better for seo.

If you have a chance please check out our lake Ontario fishing photos page which is chuck full of pictures featuring our successful clients and their fish. We have several years of pictures including many of king salmon that are over thirty pounds using our proven methods year after year. As you can see as you peruse the fishing photos, we have a significant number of women and children that have captured some real trophies while charter fishing with us.

Lake Ontario Fishing Photos

Dr. Dave Trachlenbergs award winning Lake Ontario king salmon

Here at Ace Charters, we pride ourselves at being one of the best family friendly oriented fishing businesses on the Great Lakes. Many of our families return year after year to enjoy the world class fishery that Lake Ontario has to offer as evidenced by seeing some of the same familiar faces time after time in our Lake Ontario fishing photos.

We are also looking forward to another successful season on Lake Ontario chasing king salmon and other species such as Brown and Lake Trout, Steelhead, or even the occasional Atlantic. Our lake Ontario fishing photos page has numerous examples of these magnificent species and as always, we are always looking to add more through our clients’ success. You can check out our main website at www.acecharters.com or if you would like to see some of our methods on how we catch  these fish, you can check out fishing info and tips section.

 

 

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Using the Fishhawk X4D

Using the Fishhawk X4D on Lake Ontario

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Using the Fishhawk X4D

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Capt.Jimmy Samia

  Using the Fishhawk X4D on our Lake Ontario fishing charters when trolling for trout and salmon has made my life as a charter boat captain just that much easier. The X4D is Fishhawk’s newest creation in the downspeed and temperature market for big water trolling. This newer unit is an upgrade from their previous X4 model and includes a pressure sensor that gives the actual depth of the probe in the water column based upon water pressure. Not taking anything for granted,we took the unit into a known depth of water, in fact several different depths, to verify its accuracy and found it to be most accurate.

Fishhawk X4D

Fishhawk X4D is a remarkable new unit.

    So how does one go about using the Fishhawk X4D to its fullest potential and even more importantly, to catch more fish? The answer is to fish in the preferred temperature of the target species that you are after. Fishawk includes a pamphlet along with the probe that gives the preferred temperatures of most of the Great Lakes fish species that trollers’ target. Once we know what species of fish that we want to target, the next step is to find the actual depth of that water temperature in the column that they prefer so that we can deploy our fishing lines there. This is the real beauty of using the Fishhawk X4D.

   Let’s say that we are targeting king salmon on this particular day. Using the pamphlet that comes with the unit, we find that the preferred temperature on the Great Lakes for king salmon is 44 degrees. The downrigger with the X4D is deployed into the water until the preferred temperature is shown on the display while trolling at the preferred speed. Using the X4D this way we can now look and see what the actual vertical depth of the 44 degree water is at speed. This information is very valuable. It takes all the guess work out of the equation.

    Lets say that the display is showing that the temperature is 80 feet in the column and our downrigger using the Fishhawk X4D  has 100 feet of cable out to get this reading. We now know where to send our other downriggers into the column based upon this information. On our charter boat The “Ace“, we typically will run our riggers ten feet apart so the spread would have one rigger at 90 feet, one rigger at 110 feet and of course the probe rigger at 100 feet. Because we know that the actual depth of our target temperature is 80 feet, we now also know where to put out our dipseys and what coppers or other long lines to choose.

   Using the Fishhawk X4D while running our Lake Ontario fishing charters has definitely made our jobs a lot more easier. Having the knowledge of the preferred temperatures of most of the Lake Ontario fish species as well as the actual depth of those temperatures at any given moment has definitely stacked the odds in our favor for having a successful day out on the water. This past season our Ace Charters clients were fortunate enough to boat 9 king salmon over thirty pounds fishing with this method. Do you think I’m a believer?

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How to Fish Copper Line on Lake Ontario

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Fish Copper Line on Lake Ontario

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Capt. Jimmy Samia

   We fish copper line on Lake Ontario virtually on a daily basis when targeting king salmon and sometimes when targeting brown trout as well. It can be one of the most deadliest Lake Ontario fishing charter techniques when it comes to putting fish in the boat, especially on those tough days. In this post I will discuss how we choose what to deploy in copper set-ups in terms of lengths to match the desired temperature depths.

Fish copper line to catch kings!

Fish copper line to catch kings like this.

In a previous post titled “How to Catch Thirty Pound Lake Ontario King Salmon“, I mentioned that over ninety percent of the time, I am fishing in temperature when chasing king salmon. I monitor that temperature location in the water column with a FishHawk X4D down speed and temperature unit constantly. The nice thing about the X4D system is that it gives me the actual depth in the water column of where my preferred temperature is. Once I know this, I can accurately choose what length copper line to fish with.

On my charter boat The “Ace“, we fish copper line made available to us by Atomik  trolling flies, exclusively. It is .037 in diameter and has a breaking strength of 45 lbs. We purchase it from Atomik in bulk spools of 3500 ft. which saves us considerably in cost per foot of the copper line. Atomik also has spools of pre-measured copper line lengths for those of you who prefer it that way to put on your own reels.

Atomik’s copper line is very uniform and day after day use has proven that it has an effective sink rate of 22 ft. of depth for every 100 ft. of copper line let out at our typical salmon trolling speed when pulling attractors and flies. To fish copper line in the temperature zone that we are targeting, a little simple math must be employed. A typical example to fish copper line knowing the actual depth of the temperature would go like this. Target temperature depth is at 90 ft. in the column. Using the 22 ft per 100 ft. formula for sink rate we can determine that we will need approximately 400 ft. of copper to get that deep in the water column. 90 ft. divided by 22 ft. equals about 4… 100 ft. sections or 400 ft. of copper which should be traveling in about the 88 ft. range.  If we wanted to target down 100 ft. in the column, we would fish copper line in a 450 ft. section; (4 x 22 ft. plus 11 ft. for the 50 ft. section) would put us down around 99 ft. in the column.

Having sections of copper in different lengths available on the boat on different reels with different pre-fabricated lengths would allow you the flexibility to choose the right amount of copper to match the desired depth. On our charter boat, we have lengths from 100 ft.  all the way up to 750 ft. in 50 ft. increments with most of the lengths having two reels. This allows us to accurately fish copper line on more than one set-up at a time which increases bites when the coppers are hot. You can go to our main website  www.acecharters.com and check out the Info and tips section to read up more on the intricacies involved to fish copper line.

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How to Catch Thirty Pound Lake Ontario King Salmon

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Catch thirty pound Lake Ontario king salmon

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Capt. Jimmy Samia

So how do you catch thirty pound Lake Ontario king salmon on a regular basis day after day? The answer quite simply is that you can’t! That’s right. You can’t, but there are bunch of things that you can do to increase your odds of doing so. In my previous post, “The year of the Thirty Pounders”, it was pointed out that there was no one specific thing that would catch thirty pound Lake Ontario king salmon day after day.

The biggest thing that defines my style of fishing for my Lake Ontario fishing charters is fishing in temperature and for me, 90% of the time, that will be 44 degrees. It is a very rare occasion that i will not have items running in 44* water when I am out to catch thirty pound Lake Ontario king salmon. That is a big statement to make, but if there is one key to upping the odds to catch thirty pound Lake Ontario king salmon, this may well be it. Not all rods will be deployed in 44* degree water. There will be items fished above and below the 44* mark as well. When fishing for mature salmon, it is not uncommon to catch thirty pound Lake Ontario king salmon down in the ice. We have taken huge kings in water as cold as 39.5* which by the way, is the temperature at which water is its most densest.We call these fish “coming out of the ice”!   We have also taken mature kings on the higher rods in the spread in much warmer water, sometimes as warm as in the sixties. Looking back, the number one overall presentation item for putting huge kings in the boat would have to be an attractor fly combo made up of either e-chips and spinnies with an Atomik fly. The best apparatus by far for running attractor flies was the dipsey divers. The second best item this past season used to catch thirty pound Lake Ontario king salmon was cut bait run behind an attractor with the best method of deployment being downriggers.

Girls catch thirty pound Lake Ontario king salmon

A great date to take a girl on.

This past season, the copper set ups were not as good as in years past for producing the monster fish for us. This is not typical, as in past years and historically, copper wires have been my number one producer of thirty pound kings. The coppers produced many  kings, just not the behemoths. We ran both attractor and flies as well as cut bait on our coppers. This past season was our best ever to catch thirty pound Lake Ontario king salmon. Talking with some of the other charter captains and mates in Oswego, the general consensus was that there were quite a few larger fish around than in past seasons. If you would like to check out more on how we like to fish on our charter boat, you can read more at www.acecharters.com in our info and tips section.

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Thirty Pound Lake Ontario King Salmon

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The Year of the Thirty Pounders On Lake Ontario

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Capt. Jimmy Samia

            This past season, 2013, was the year for thirty pound Lake Ontario king salmon and  was the best ever for Ace Charters’ anglers while charter fishing Lake Ontario with us. Our clients successfully battled and landed nine king salmon that tipped the scales at thirty pounds or better with the biggest near 34lbs. All of these fish were weighed on our Boga Grip which is surprisingly accurate. It is the same weighing apparatus that we use while tournament fishing and determining the weights of the fish we catch. All the fish in the pictures included in this Lake Ontario fishing report were weighed on this scale.

Patterns for Catching King Salmon Over Thirty Pounds.

Looking back on this past fishing season, I was reflecting on how these better than thirty pound Lake Ontario king salmon were caught, looking for the common denominator that got these fish to bite. Remarkably, other than fishing on Lake Ontario, there really wasn’t any one factor that stood out. The fish were caught on a variety of different set-ups including rigger rods, dipsey divers, and coppers. If I had to give a nod to the set-up that caught the most, it would have to be the rigger rods. The other most popular part of the equation was attractors and Atomik trolling flies.

There was no one particular attractor style or color that stood out in catching these fish. Some were caught on Pro troll e-chips and others were caught on Spindoctor attractors. The fish that were caught while using flies were all caught on Atomiks but with different colors and bead patterns. A few of them were also caught on either meat or spoons, too! There just wasn’t “just put this lure down and you’ll catch all the thirty pounders you want” kind of lure or apparatus to catch these fish.

Even the speeds that these fish were caught at while trolling were not all the same. Some fish were caught trolling slowly and others were taken while trolling faster. Looking back, I can say this. Most of the thirties were caught during the month of August out of the port of Oswego, NY. Yet, there were a few also caught in July. Even the age class and gender of the successful anglers who bagged these trophy fish were all different ranging from 8 yrs old and up including girls and guys.

Stay tuned as I will be writing more on this subject as I think about this and give it some more thought and as always, you can read more about our fishing techniques at www.acecharters.com

              Check out these photos of  thirty pound Lake Ontario King Salmon

Thirty plus pound king salmon

Youngsters with Lake Ontario King over 30lbs.

Even the youngsters got in on the Tyee action!

A true trophy Lake Ontario king salmonOur biggest fish of the season in 2013

A better than Thirty pound lake ontario king salmon

Another great king salmon

Jane from Iowa landed this beauty.

The girls beat the guys.

Trophy King salmon

A great date to take a girl on.

Oswego,NY king salmon

Dave from Maine caught this monster with his dad.

 

Thirty plus lb king against smaller kings

The bigger kings really stand out.

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