Dipsey Diver Wire Frequencies

Dipsey Diver wire frequencies ! Do they matter? After giving this a lot of thought, I’ve come to the conclusion that they do. We will discuss this concept in this post.

Line Diameter Matters

Wire line for dipsey diver applications come in several diameters, pound test, and brand names. We prefer bulk 10,000 foot spools. More specifically, in our applications, we use 20 and 30lb. test brown colored Mason. The lighter pound test is thinner in diameter than the 30lb. These line sizes matter for two reasons. First, is that the thinner the line is, the easier it breaks. Secondly, the thinner the line, the higher the vibration pitch it emits.

Dipsey diver wire frequencies contribute to fish like these

Why Use Heavier Wire

The heavier the wire, typically, the stronger pound test it is. This leads to less break-offs and lost tackle. It also emits a lower frequency. The lower the frequency, the farther and wider it transmits through the water column. On some days, this can really draw the fish into your spread. Notice I specifically said, on “some days”! For most of our Lake Ontario fishing charters, this is what we run!

Lite Line Wire

Lite line wire dipsy divers also have their days. As you may have surmised, liter, thinner wire, emits a higher frequency than thicker wire. Think of it like guitar strings. The higher frequency dissipates quicker than lower frequencies. For some reason, larger adult kings seem to favor the higher pitch! My guess is that its more pleasing to their lateral lines which pick up vibrations and disturbances in the water. The thinner the wire, the deeper the dipseys will dive because the smaller diameter line cuts through the water better with less resistance. So why not just run lite wire all of the time?

Lite Line Problems

Running lite line can have its problems. There is no forgiveness. The least little knick , bend , or line compromise, and it will break. There are ways to lessen the chances of it breaking, most important of them, is to use a roller rod. We prefer the Shimano Telora roller rods. Daiwa and Okuma also offer roller rod models. It is also very important to check your 20 lb wire before the beginning of every outing for pig tails. Pigtails must be removed to limit the chances of break-offs due to the wire being compromised from uneven stretch. (which causes the pigtails)!

Which One Is Best

Dipsey diver wire frequencies do play an important part in catching king salmon. Most days, 30 lb wire will get the job done. It’s more forgiving with much less chances for break-offs. But, it has its limitations to how far it can dive below the surface with regular size dipseys. All else being equal, 20lb wire dives 20 ft deeper than 30lb wire with 300 ft out. This can be corrected using mag rings or mag divers with 30 lb wire. 30lb wire also gets you farther away from the boat to achieve the same depth as 20lb wire.

Why Not Have Both

If I could only choose one, it would be a 30lb wire set-up! It can be run without a roller rod and is much more forgiving, pig tails included. But if you are able, having both 20 and 30lb set ups on board is certainly a plus. There are several of my fellow Captains’ mates that run 20 lb wire more often than not. Knowing who they are comes in handy when their divers are firing and mine are not! It’s a great time to have 20lb wires on board when this is the case.

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Shallow Water King Salmon Fishing

Shallow water king salmon fishing can certainly be a challenge without the right equipment and knowledge while pursuing them. In this post, we will discuss the equipment we use along with some insights to put it all together. So, let’s get started!

shallow water king salmon fishing

The Right Equipment

Having the right equipment to fish for shallow water kings is paramount to success. Since we will be fishing from anywhere near the surface to about 50 feet down in the water column, we need to be able to run lines in this sector of the water column. Our arsenal includes downriggers, slide divers, mini divers, like Big Jon’s, assorted segmented leadcores, and segmented coppers. It also includes Otter Boats as well as Church Walleye boards.

Lure Selection Is Key

Shallow water fishing for kings usually requires a selection of mostly spoons. It’s a good idea to have stickbaits, j-plugs, some meat, and flies along, as well. Our tackle boxes are loaded with Michigan stingers in Scorpion, Stinger, Stingray, and Magnums. We also like Moonshine, Silver Streaks, and Fuzzy Bear spoons. Colors are dependent upon time of year and water clarity. Meat and/or flies have their days, especially, in the grey light, or when there is a well defined break.

The Right Spread

Our typical starting spread for shallow water kings are matched to where in the column the fish are. We dial in with temperature and fishfinder targets. Early morning, don’t be afraid to run spoons or plugs within 5 feet of the surface. We usually stretch at least one line back off the riggers up high. We also run one, two, three, four,and five color lead cores to start, with spoons and sticks of different sizes off the boards. Sometimes the fish prefer Walleye Boards over Otter Boats, especially, on flat bright days. Later in the season, for staging kings, j-plugs really work well. We add deeper sets as the day gets brighter including leadcore segments and up to full cores. 50, 75.100, 150, and 200 feet segmented coppers get deployed later in the day. Usually, we tail gun the deeper running copper off the stern.

Diaing It all In

In a previous post, we touched upon dialing in on the fish both in terms of lure selection and location of apparatus, which you can find here in the following link. https://www.acecharters.com/blog/trolling-spread-techniques-for-lake-ontario/. It sheds some light on how to get the most out of a day of trolling Lake Ontario. Putting it all together during your next shallow water king salmon fishing trip is the difference between full boxes or coming home empty!

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Trolling Spread Techniques For Lake Ontario

Trolling spread techniques are a must have for successful Lake Ontario fishing on a day to day basis. In this post, we will discuss types of spreads and how to fine tune them to generate more bites during outings. More specifically, we will outline salmon and brown trout trolling techniques.

Brown Trout Trolling Spreads

Late spring into early summer offers some of the best trophy brown trout fishing Lake Ontario has to offer. Browns weighing in the mid to upper teens are quite common this time of year if you know how to dial in on them. Knowing where to look for these fish is only half the battle. The right trolling spread techniques and right presentation is paramount to catching these older fish. Lite pound test line and fishing away from the boat are key. Lure choice is also another consideration and will be touched upon in future and past posts. So what does an early season brown trout spread look like?

Early Brown Trout Set-ups

As previously mentioned, lite pound test fishing line along with fishing away from the boat yields best results. Almost daily, we run Otter Boats on our planer board set-ups. We run at least 3 to 4 lines a side. The farthest outside lines are stretched back the longest, usually 125-150ft, are flat lines, and are run with shallow diving stick baits. Smithwicks, Rapalas, and Bay Rats get the nod. As we come closer to the boat, these lines are set to run deeper and deeper with the deepest being closest to the vessel.

Adjust To Depths

Typically, lead core or weighted flatlines with sinkers are deployed with stick baits or spoons. Short segmented coppers also have their days. Downriggers and Divers are adjusted to run appropriately in the water column depending upon depth of fish. It’s wise to adjust line stretch on the downriggers if you’re not getting bit! 20-100 ft set-backs on any given day may produce more bites.

Trolling Spread Techniques include Otter Boats
Big Jon Otter Boat

King Salmon Spreads

King Salmon spreads are some what similar to brown trout , but heavier tackle along with deeper water depths are the norm. We still use the Otter boats, but the line choices are different. Our typical board lines are either copper lines or lead cores. If we run multiple lines on one side, we still always run the deepest running lines closest to the boat. This allows the outside shallower lines to travel over the top of the deeper lines as it moves to center behind the vessel when clearing lines or fighting fish. Don’t forget to adjust divers and dipseys.

Temperature Is Key

Target temperature in the water column dictates what we run for salmon. The higher the fish are in the water column, the lighter the line we use, especially with spoons. As we go deeper, our leaders become heavier. Our spoon coppers run with 15-20 lb test leaders. Our coppers with attractors use 25-30lb test leaders. Its the same with leadcores on the lighter side, but we do run 20lb leaders with J-plugs.

Dialing It All In

Both trout and salmon can be very finicky at times being very selective in what they will or will not bite. We tend to start off most mornings with a smorgasborg of offerings. These include spoons,meat and/or flies depending upon fish location in the water column. Our philosphy is to let the fish tell us what they prefer at that given point in time. We then “feed it to’em”!!! If an item gets bit more than once or a certain depth in the water column is producing, we immediately add appropriate duplicates of the hot items.

The Main Key

The key is to duplicate the item and depth as far away from the item that is firing to determine if it actually is the item, or the apparatus its on, or both. Read that statement again!!! If you take nothing else away from this post, the preceding statement is one of the best trolling spread techniques we know to increase bites. Once the fish tell you what they want, then just “feed it to ’em“!

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Best Month For Trophy Brown Trout

We’re are often asked what is the best month for trophy brown trout fishing on Lake Ontario out of Oswego,NY. Year after year, the answer is plain and simple. June, June, June! For over the twenty plus years of Lake Ontario fishing, we have taken more trophy size brown trout during the month of June than any other. Notice we said “trophy browns”.

Best month for trophy brown trout like this one is June

Why Big Browns in June

One might ask why June is typically the best month for trophy brown trout fishing. The answer is two fold. First, the water temperatures this time of the year are warm enough to really get the big fish active. Metabolic rates increase and the bigger browns need to feed more. Secondly, alewives, the main prey species, are in closer to shore and concentrated. You see, they spawn near shore here in June. There will be different age classes of alewives either coming in to spawn near shore and in the bays, and those that have completed the spawning process and are returning to the lake. The same water temperature that turns on the trophy browns also triggers alewive spawning activity.

Monster Lake Ontario Brown Trout

Adult Fish To Target

Our definition of a trophy brown trout is one which weighs in the mid to upper teens and is at least three years of age or older. They are a different class of fish and require a different approach to getting them to bite. Light tackle is one of the biggest keys to getting a trophy brown to commit to the lure. Presentation of that lure is also important. As previously mentioned, temperature plays an important role in both metabolic rate as well as where Mr. Trophy Brown Trout will be. During the month of June, finding 58-62 degree water without going over concentrates trophy browns in the water column. Decades of experience has shown that bigger browns like to be in this temperature zone during this time of year.

Find The Temperature Find The Fish

When you can find the right temperatures along with bait presence and colored water, you have the makings of a great recipe for increasing the odds for trophy brown trout success. These conditions exist more so in June than any other time of the year. Hence, the increase in odds for success. Temperature, bait, and stained water concentrated close to shore accurately predicts where the brown trout will be. All that is left to do is to add the right lure choice with the right presentation and trophy brown trout success will follow!

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What Lures to Run on Lake Ontario for Salmon

We are often asked what lures to run on Lake Ontario for salmon out of Oswego,NY.  Our answer is it depends and that’s not meant to be evasive. So what does “it depends” really mean? What does it depend on? What are some of the variables? Lets dive in!

Where is The Temperature

Before we can determine what lures to run, we need to know where the preferred temperature of our target species is, in this case for king salmon. We have discussed how to find this in previous posts. We typically choose our lure presentations based upon where in the water column this temperature is. There are typically four scenarios that we may encounter.

What lures to run

Upper Water Column

When we find the preferred temperature in 25 ft to 50ft of water spoons get the nod. Colors will depend quite a bit on water clarity and time of day. Overcast or clear sunny skies also matter in the equation. In muddy waters, baits with glow, or green and chartreuse produce well. Patterns such as firetiger, glow pearl, and glow frog are our favorites to start with.

Second Quadrant of The Water Column

If temps are 50ft and deeper the water column again, spoons are our go to choice. The old adage “bright day bright lures” typically holds true. Don’t forget water clarity. Dark stained water can change things as well as a well defined thermocline or temperature break. Please check out “keys to fishing flasher flies” as well as “matching the hatch” to further shed some light on that scenario!

Generally speaking, when temps are in 60 ft or less of water, salmon rely more on sight than their lateral line to home in and feed on prey. But there will be times, as mentioned above, when the water will be stained or cloudy. Salmon must then rely more on their lateral line to feed. Running flasher and flies, or cut bait gets the nod here!

Third Quadrant of The Water Column

When we find temps in the 60-90 ft range in the column, are program is usually a mix of spoons with attractors. Most often, we run our spoons in the higher positions, and attractor fly, or meat patterns in the bottom positions and adjust accordingly to the bite. We let the fish tell us what they want and add or subtract items as appropriate.

Deepest of The Water Column

When temps are deep, like below 80-90 ft or more, flies or meat get the nod. Salmon in deep water rely almost totally on their lateral line to home in on prey. I’ve always thought of it as a percentage thing. The higher the temps are in the water column, the more, or higher percentage, the fish rely upon sight to commit to the bite. The deeper we fish, the salmon use much more of their lateral line to find bait. Sight is still used for the final commitment as evidenced by certain colors working and others not.

If you follow these principals on what lures to run, or at least start with them during your trolling endeavors, you will be well on your way to successful outings. Adaptation to water temperature location is key. Also keep in mind that mixing things up a bit, like running spoons deep, can also pay dividends on certain days. Reading the water and its conditions will help you adjust. The fish will tell you, too, when they bite!

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